Zombo Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Dude might be a very very good QB but just looking at this picture makes me want to punch him. He looks and acts like a punk...please keep him out of Cleveland. He's got Steeler written all over him. They trade Ben to Arizona and Manziel picks up on the douchebaggery in Pittsburgh. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 While we're on the QB subject... Cutler is a FA this year. I don't know how old he is and i'm too lazy to look it up but is there any interest there? Cutler, Campbell, Hoyer next year and use the draft for everything else we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Pass on Cutler. He may have the skill-set of a good QB but he lacks a true leadership personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Hard to say he lacks a leadership personality when he was out on the field playing ridiculously hurt yesterday doing everything he could to help his team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 He's got Steeler written all over him. They trade Ben to Arizona and Manziel picks up on the douchebaggery in Pittsburgh. Z I'm on board with that!Patchwork O-line he don't stand a chance. I can't put my finger on who Manziel looks like but he kinda has that same look as the guy on the cover of MAD magazine minus the red hair of coarse. But the draft went from NFL starters 3 rounds deep from top ta bottom to a couple of maybe's. I don't see much of Russell Wilson when trying to compare him too Menziel, I see more of a Doug Flutie comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erie Dawg Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I like Cutlers Moxie but not the pricetag and the fact he's been hurt a lot as of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Daddy Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Cutler isn't going anywhere. The Bears are going to resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'm on board with that! Patchwork O-line he don't stand a chance. I can't put my finger on who Manziel looks like but he kinda has that same look as the guy on the cover of MAD magazine minus the red hair of coarse. But the draft went from NFL starters 3 rounds deep from top ta bottom to a couple of maybe's. I don't see much of Russell Wilson when trying to compare him too Menziel, I see more of a Doug Flutie comparison. To me he looks like douchey James Franco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Dude might be a very very good QB but just looking at this picture makes me want to punch him. He looks and acts like a punk...please keep him out of Cleveland. Honestly, he looks like Brownie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 This probably figures, but I like Johnny Cash. He was making fun of the "trouble" he got in, which was kind of squeaky compared to actual "trouble." He's a baller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 This probably figures, but I like Johnny Cash. He was making fun of the "trouble" he got in, which was kind of squeaky compared to actual "trouble." He's a baller. I'm sorry...He looks like an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'll take a chance on him If banner and Lombardi like him. I'm giving this ownership/front office the stamp of approval thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark O Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I'll take a chance on him If banner and Lombardi like him. I'm giving this ownership/front office the stamp of approval thus far. I'll root for him as well if our FO thinks he's the guy. I just hope they don't think he's the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Assuming the Browns draft a long-term guy in round one, I think neither Campbell nor Hoyer would accept being the guy who isn't Now OR The Future, you know what I'm saying? If you aren't starting the opener and you aren't (say) Manziel, you're really just wasting a year of your career after showing you can play. I think the Browns would basically have TWO guys who should be starting and then mentoring when they only need one. Let someone else have the other one to mentor THEIR rookie... and take one of their higher picks for the privilege! Assuming Campbell plays light out the rest of the way- it gets interesting. I thought he was on a one year contract- but wrong-o on my part. We have him for 2014 on the cheap. Hoyer is getting paid peanuts. Sure, we're going to trade one of them-not- because Weeden is so gone, it's unfathomable the Browns would even consider keeping him as a backup, and no way you can get two quarterbacks hurt in the same year. In case you didn't notice Green Bay is in even worse shape than the Browns with Rodgers and now Wallace out. Tennessee is going to be relying on Fitzpatrick, and if he gets the injury bug, they're down to a guy by the name of Rusty Smith. Ever hear of him? They say you can't have enough cornerbacks- at least for next year, the Browns can't have too many quarterbacks. Let's say Campbell does play lights out the rest of the way- what is a reasonable offer for the guy, assuming Lombardi is convinced Hoyer can be "The Guy" for the next 5-8 years? I'd want nothing less than a TR level fleecing of a needy team. McCarron is so limited and TRULY a "game manager." I think he'll make somebody a nice backup for a long time. Feels a little too Trent Edwards for me. I see him in round 3 with no upside. Carr and Manziel continued their rises yesterday and Hundley is doing some nice damage control. My gut says one of those three. And thanks, Couch, I like your posts, too. BUT... I think the Browns do dig Manziel. He's 20. He's proven he can pass from the pocket. He's faster and taller than Wilson. He'd get a year to get physically stronger and watch Hoyer. Don't be too shocked. Based on not getting near Bridgewater or Mariota, I'm paying the most attention to those three guys. I finally had a chance to take a brief perusal of Johnny Football's talents. I'm with TC on Manziel. The Browns will IMO give him serious negative points for the off-field crap. Did see him make a couple NFL caliber throws, but his propensity to take of running is going to get him killed in the NFL in short order- he'll get broken in half faster than you can say RG III blown ACL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
next2nothing Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Hard to say he lacks a leadership personality when he was out on the field playing ridiculously hurt yesterday doing everything he could to help his team win. True. I just have never seen him talking to his offense on the sideline and there was the playoff game a couple years ago he took himself out of when the Bears were still in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Some of you guys are behind the curve. Manziel is running less and navigating the pocket more. He put up 490 yards last week, mostly from the pocket, almost like he was showing scouts that he can do either and both. He has a better arm than Dalton and wheels/creativity probably only topped by a healthy Mike Vick. He doesn't do drugs or beat up undersized Asian students or anything. He likes to have fun and he's 20. How dare he? It'll be interesting. Carr, Hundley, and Manziel. Which one is best suited for the Browns? Carr is mature and experienced while Hundley and Manziel are both 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Some of you guys are behind the curve. Manziel is running less and navigating the pocket more. He put up 490 yards last week, mostly from the pocket, almost like he was showing scouts that he can do either and both. He has a better arm than Dalton and wheels/creativity probably only topped by a healthy Mike Vick. He doesn't do drugs or beat up undersized Asian students or anything. He likes to have fun and he's 20. How dare he? It'll be interesting. Carr, Hundley, and Manziel. Which one is best suited for the Browns? Carr is mature and experienced while Hundley and Manziel are both 20. I go back and forth on Manziel. If we can get him, let him sit for a year maybe, just to get used to the system, maybe get some maturity that seems to be missing, he could be special for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 While we're on the QB subject... Cutler is a FA this year. I don't know how old he is and i'm too lazy to look it up but is there any interest there? Jay is 30... http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm Cutler has all the tangibles to be sure, but has never pulled it all altogether. I just think he is a giant QB tease at the NFL level... a perennial 2nd tier QB with a penchant for critical turnovers. I'm on board with (Steelers drafting Manziel)! Patchwork O-line he don't stand a chance. Actually with his scrambling ability, Manziel might be the perfect pick for a patchwork line. While I could accept Manziel as a Brown, I'd have to also accept that he is a swashbuckler. I'd have to accept that while he will win games we would have had no right to win, he will also lose games we should have won. Never occurred to me until I wrote the above, but that is how I felt about another recently retired, "great" QB. Manziel may be the 2nd coming of Brett Favre. Honestly, he looks like Brownie LMAO... the demented one for sure... McCarron is so limited and TRULY a "game manager." Agree on game manager, which by the way is not a bad thing... But "limited"??? Seriously? Moves well... not slow... arm is plenty strong enough... great touch... and has it between his ears in spades. A review of his performance vs LSU... "Frankly, NFL scouts probably couldn't care less about McCarron's Heisman chances. They likely were instead noting the poise McCarron demonstrated on the big stage, as well as decision-making and easily caught passes that helped guide the Tide to the victory." - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Just read something interesting about Manziel brought up by his passing "guru," George Whitfield: He has enormous hands like Drew Brees, which allows him to really torque the ball, put everything he has into it without losing spin or accuracy. He wears a size 15 shoe, bigger than Roethlisberger, another Whitfield protege (who is 6'5"). Brugler was saying that while Manziel may not have a "great" arm, he certainly has a good one. He throws accurately to all parts of the field. Sure, the Browns are gonna have to make sure that off-field Johnny starts growing up... because on-field Johnny is willing to play hurt and will spark any team with his creativity and fire. I can make a case for Manziel (just did) and Carr (quick feet, great arm talent, mature, can hone footwork for a year and then provide legit Top Five talent) and Hundley (freakish measurables, inconsistent, only 20 like Manziel). I can't make a case that McCarron will ever be as good as Brian Hoyer. Unlike the other three, there isn't that chance that he could be special. At least IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 The hands thing was included in the feature Countdown did on Wilson this past Sunday. Turns out he has sizable meat hooks as well... And, Shep, I assume all here post their honest opinions... I get that McCarron plays on a great team... THE dominant college team in the 2010's. But the turnover on that team has been substantial over the past 3 seasons. Player changes at nearly every position save one... QB. My experience tells me that when you change all but one variable and get the same result, then the unchanged variable is controlling the outcome. It also does not hurt that those outcomes come against the best competition available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shep Posted November 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What did you mean about honest opinions? Oh... ha. I get it now. Never mind. I meant, "In my humble opinion." I think the consistent factor in Alabama that overrates their RBs AND QBs is the absurd offensive line size and quality. They beat up other teams. And because they always field an NFL caliber defense, it's perfectly okay for McCarron to throw for 142 yards. He's just so tough to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Hand size was my only on the field concern with Manziel. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What did you mean about honest opinions? Oh... ha. I get it now. Never mind. I meant, "In my humble opinion." I think the consistent factor in Alabama that overrates their RBs AND QBs is the absurd offensive line size and quality. They beat up other teams. And because they always field an NFL caliber defense, it's perfectly okay for McCarron to throw for 142 yards. He's just so tough to evaluate. the first time I saw him throw a 5 yard out and it looked like the ball was spinning end over end, I was done evaluating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Small guys that like to run around tend not to last long in the NFL. I don't see Bret Favre in Manziel. Maybe Jake Plummer. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Small guys that like to run around tend not to last long in the NFL. I don't see Bret Favre in Manziel. Maybe Jake Plummer. Zombo Depends on how good they are at avoiding contact and how smart they are....Manziel seems to avoid contact and he may be the smartest of the whole bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What did you mean about honest opinions? Oh... ha. I get it now. Never mind. I meant, "In my humble opinion." LOL... humble is optional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 The hands thing was included in the feature Countdown did on Wilson this past Sunday. Turns out he has sizable meat hooks as well... And, Shep, I assume all here post their honest opinions... I get that McCarron plays on a great team... THE dominant college team in the 2010's. But the turnover on that team has been substantial over the past 3 seasons. Player changes at nearly every position save one... QB. My experience tells me that when you change all but one variable and get the same result, then the unchanged variable is controlling the outcome. It also does not hurt that those outcomes come against the best competition available. There is another unchanged variable you may be missing... his name is Nick Saban... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Point taken 23... but as great as coaches may be, players still have to deliver. Raises an interesting point though... Everyone says that Saben "has the best talent". And not just collectively, but at individual positions. Why would he settle for a lesser talent at the most important position on the field??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Point taken 23... but as great as coaches may be, players still have to deliver. Raises an interesting point though... Everyone says that Saben "has the best talent". And not just collectively, but at individual positions. Why would he settle for a lesser talent at the most important position on the field??? He's a good college QB, nobodys debating that. And he may even stick in the NFL for a while, but he'll never be a top 10 QB. One of those high floor, low ceiling guys like Dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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