Trumps NFL tweet

[Clevfan4life]

Yeah otherwise cal's russian troll farm overlords will bid him spread his clickbait on the browns forum. Get ready for blaze spam and cool stories about global warming from a website about guns and ammo

[calfoxwc]

 

30 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Keep this shit on the political board where it belongs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

right. I didn't start the fire. I never want politics over here, so be very quiet....oh, and I was one of the folks

who campaigned for a political forum, fyi.

[200lbMumford]

1 hour ago, calfoxwc said:

 

 Goodhell is a hypocrite -

https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players

 

We've reached out to the NFL, asking if any of the players or teams that skipped the national anthem will face discipline; we'll update this report with their comments.

Goodell hasn't always been so supportive of his players engaging in free speech on the field.

• Last year the NFL barred the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet honoring the five police officers killed in a domestic terror attack.
   
• The NFL also banned the Tennessee Titan's linebacker, Avery Williamson, from honoring 9/11 victims by wearing cleats that read "9-11/01" and "Never Forget" on the 15th anniversary of the terror attack. 
   
• The NFL fined Robert Griffin III $10,000 for wearing a t-shirt during a press conference that said "Operation Patience." (The shirt was created by Reebok and players are required to only wear clothing sold by Nike.)
   
• RGIII also ran into trouble with the league for wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus, Know Peace."
   
• The NFL has banned players from wearing Beats headphones on the field (doing so violated the league's deal with Bose). 
   
• The Steelers' William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats, which he did to raise awareness for domestic violence (an issue Goodell claims the league takes seriously).
   
• Goodell's opposition to speech he dislikes is so determined that he even has a Patriots fan who flipped him off fired from his job. 

UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post. 

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source. 

UPDATE TWO: After Grabien contacted Snopes.com, bringing the above facts to their attention, the author amended his article, confirming the existence of the above-state rule, and changed their description of this story from "false" to "mixture." 

UPDATE THREE: The NFL, responding to the Kansas City Star, confirmed the national anthem-related rules cited above. However, the NFL's vice president of communications, Brian McCarthy, "stressed that [the] passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement."

But this is odd since the rule warns that failure to comply "may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses." Why does the NFL attach penalties for failure to comply if this is all just a "guideline," as the league now argues?

It appears the NFL is simply changing the rules — by electing not to enforce them.

 

 

Did you even bother reading ANY of the links you posted?  Because they don't say in there what the this craptastic article  you posted says.  The "mixture" on Snopes is that there may be a requirement that they need to be out on the field but not anything about conduct of standing.   The Star did not confirm there was an anthem related rule cited above.  There's actually tweets from Ian Rappaport in the article stating the NFL  has said as much.  Brian McCarthy was even quoted in the article stating that this wasn't a rule but a guideline with parameters of regular season games.

I didn't bother clicking on the rest of the links.  You want to talk about 'fake news', I think you just found it.

[TexasAg1969]

Mods-please move this to the political board and the baseball one to the Indians board.  Thanks.

[calfoxwc]

2 hours ago, 200lbMumford said:

Did you even bother reading ANY of the links you posted?  Because they don't say in there what the this craptastic article  you posted says.  The "mixture" on Snopes is that there may be a requirement that they need to be out on the field but not anything about conduct of standing.   The Star did not confirm there was an anthem related rule cited above.  There's actually tweets from Ian Rappaport in the article stating the NFL  has said as much.  Brian McCarthy was even quoted in the article stating that this wasn't a rule but a guideline with parameters of regular season games.

I didn't bother clicking on the rest of the links.  You want to talk about 'fake news', I think you just found it.

well, whiny-ass, yes, I did. go back and try to THINK instead of emotionally knee jerking. and actually READ it.

"

UPDATE THREE: The NFL, responding to the Kansas City Star, confirmed the national anthem-related rules cited above. However, the NFL's vice president of communications, Brian McCarthy, "stressed that [the] passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement."

But this is odd since the rule warns that failure to comply "may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses." Why does the NFL attach penalties for failure to comply if this is all just a "guideline," as the league now argues?

It appears the NFL is simply changing the rules — by electing not to enforce them."

[miktoxic]

On 9/24/2017 at 5:57 PM, Clevfan4life said:

Heres my solution....let players walk back into the lockrroom for the anthem. Problem solved. They get their meaningless protest and all the little snowflake doturds who's brains go blue screen at the sight of a colored boy kneeling get a clean field of view. 

Easy peasy....i should be emperor

Only fucking snowflakes are those who've never picked up a rock in defense of this country, yet yap and yap about how bad they got it pulling in millions of dollars a year to act, run fast or put a ball through a hoop.

fuck them all.

i am literally done with the NFL and the NBA.

eat a big shitburger lebron. Fuck you Clevefan4life and all the other little queefs who think this is alright.

liberal commie ANTIFA scumbags.

obviously you had no father figure in ur life that taught you the values of what being an American is about.

[miktoxic]

On 9/24/2017 at 4:58 PM, stillmotion said:

It directly effects our team does it not? Players kneeling and our owner saying something about the Browns. Tell me which political policy is this thread involved with?

 

About 20 Browns players knelt during the national anthem in Indianapolis. The crowd booed loudly, and running back Duke Johnson waved the crowd on. Johnson was in a group standing behind those who knelt with a hand on a shoulder of kneeling teammates. All Browns players, whether standing or kneeling, locked arms.

 

Jimmy Haslam said about Trumps remark

"We view our organization, our league and our players as great unifiers of people. Our players, just like so many others across our league, have been honest and thoughtful with their attempt to bring awareness to the issues of inequality and social injustice. We were incredibly moved by the meaningful and powerful dialogue they initiated within our organization when they spoke of their intent to unify and not be disrespectful while using familiar and important terms like one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

"Their intent is to create positive and unifying change and that was demonstrated well by the unity they led prior to our home opener. They have continued to prove this dedication to unite diverse members of our community throughout this past month by establishing direct conversation with the Cleveland Police Department and creating a plan to work together in our neighborhoods. We are also proud of their many other significant efforts in our city throughout the year that are done quietly to improve the lives of others.

 

 

Good job Jinnah. Can't run an NFL franchise for shit but you are the great and mighty OZ when it come times to talk politics and social awareness.

Tennessee Bag of shit.

[TexasAg1969]

6 hours ago, miktoxic said:

Only fucking snowflakes are those who've never picked up a rock in defense of this country, yet yap and yap about how bad they got it pulling in millions of dollars a year to act, run fast or put a ball through a hoop.

fuck them all.

i am literally done with the NFL and the NBA.

eat a big shitburger lebron. Fuck you Clevefan4life and all the other little queefs who think this is alright.

liberal commie ANTIFA scumbags.

obviously you had no father figure in ur life that taught you the values of what being an American is about.

LOL! Cal and WSS need help over on the politics board mik. You'd be a refreshing change in the fun. I'm getting tired of throwing back the same old fish I keep trolling up.

[Westside Steve]

Tex I'm sure it will be moved soon but rather than trying to live with the pain of having it here why not have whoever reads the board to you just skip that particular topic?

WSS 

[TexasAg1969]

8 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Tex I'm sure it will be moved soon but rather than trying to live with the pain of having it here why not have whoever reads the board to you just skip that particular topic?

WSS 

Caught one!

[OldBrownsFan]

I am a Trump supporter but I will speak out against him when I think he is wrong and I thought he was wrong with the SOB comment. I thought that was out of line. One of my complaints against Obama was I felt he was a divider because of some of the things he did and Trump in this case stirred up a hornets nest of division with his over the top comments. He went too far with the rhetoric. Similar to Obama who always seemed to be in campaign mode Trump also needs to realize he is now president of the entire country and not just his base. His job now is to to try and unify the country and not divide us on issues. I don't have a problem with him saying he thinks it is wrong for people to kneel during the national anthem just saying he could have said it in a less offensive manner. 

[The Gipper]

9 hours ago, miktoxic said:

Only fucking snowflakes are those who've never picked up a rock in defense of this country, yet yap and yap about how bad they got it pulling in millions of dollars a year to act, run fast or put a ball through a hoop.

fuck them all.

i am literally done with the NFL and the NBA.

eat a big shitburger lebron. Fuck you Clevefan4life and all the other little queefs who think this is alright.

liberal commie ANTIFA scumbags.

obviously you had no father figure in ur life that taught you the values of what being an American is about.

If you are done...why are you posting here?  You know, there is a political forum for troglodytes 

https://www.politicsforum.org/troglodyte/

[Tour2ma]

Trump has accomplished one thing I did not think could be done...

He's made Colin Kaepernick employable.

[The Gipper]

Vendetta

A few things about the whole Trump/NFL things.  First off, I believe Trump's indignation is totally disingenuous.  He simply has seen an opportunity to throw some red meat at his base and to stir up shit...which is about the sum and substance of what he is.  He actually had a website and other social media devices set up BEFORE he even went off. 

But Beyond that....even more personal to him is the fact that he saw an opportunity to try to get some revenge on the NFL for perceived  (actually...not perceived....real) slights and rejections that he has suffered over the years from the NFL.

First there was the whole USFL debacle.  Recall that he was the owner of the New Jersey Generals of that league...and during the course of that...he basically usurped control of it from the group of other owners.   Recall, initially, that he had approached the NFL about a merger. At that time the NFL said no, they weren't interested in a merger. Thus, instead of waiting it out for another opportunity, the USFL at Trump's behest brought the Anti-Trust suit against the NFL. While technically a victory, it was pyrrhic in that he was awarded all of $1.00 in damages, treble to 3 dollars.  The jury felt that while that there was a technical violation of the Anti-Trust Act, it was the USFL itself and the mismanagement of it (by Trump in particular)  that caused any damage.  That jury felt that the USFL should have attempted to compete against the NFL on the field. Instead of doing that of course, he killed the league.  (and therein ensued a lot of problems....including the loss of the USFL team in Baltimore...which left Baltimore the opportunity the attempt to steal the Browns)

http://deadline.com/2017/09/donald-trump-football-killed-usfl-mike-tollin-denzel-washington-1202176723/

So, that was Strike One.

Then again, came strike two. In 1988, Trump had contemplated buying the New England Patriots after Victor Kiam had been forced out as owner there due to his financial incompetence (Art Modell was the second owner to have that happen to him.)   While I don't think it ever got to the point of it being serious, it was a no deal for him:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/report-trump-passed-buying-patriots-1988

Finally, in 2014, before he decided to run for office, Trump had wanted to buy the Buffalo Bills.  But a combination of things happened the where he was rejected: first, the whole Donald Sterling affair was happening in the NBA.  The NFL owners, having had dealings with Trump before, wanted no part really of their own version of Donald Sterling.  Trump had a string of racially insensitive remarks on his record...not the least of which was his involvement with the whole "Birther" thing. Next, Trump was still the owner of casinos....and while he claimed he would divest himself of his casinos...he made no effort to do so....other than to have them go bankrupt. Third...well, with casinos going bankrupt....while his wealth seemed adequate, still, his financial management ability was still questioned by some. Finally, he was simply outbid by the Pergulas (owners of the Buffalo Sabers).  At some point Trump had apparently even approached the Pergulas about teaming up with them in owning the team...but they rejected him on that....and outbid him. Trump might tell you that he would never have paid as much for them as the Pergulas paid...but, to the NFL's relief, they did not have to consider him as a potential owner.  Based on this article, which was written before the sale of the Bills was made, he would have had a rough go of it, and may in fact have been given the word that even if he had the higher bid, he still would have been rejected.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/donald-trump-buffalo-bills-owner-donald-sterling-comments-net-worth/1ruisn4ofwxdt1vuuvtilny29u

So, lets face it....the Donald is always one to scratch an itch until it bleeds, and having been rejected at least twice and maybe 3 times from joining the club of NFL owners....he is never one to let a grudge go by.    So...even though he has disasters in Puerto Rico, Houston, Florida, a health care bill that can't get past....a potential nuclear war with N. Korea...and countless other more important priorities....he wastes his time on an old grudge with the NFL.  And while certainly there are reasons now to criticize some of the actions of the NFL....DJT will never let go of an opportunity to pour lighter fluid on some burning embers.  He just isn't mature enough to set his priorties right...even in the important job that he has

[domcucch1994]

I don't understand why people can't let bygones be bygones, put on their big boy pants, and stop bitching about this!
YOU are the ones taking offense because YOU can't see why these players kneel.. You only get your feelings hurt because god forbid, some guy doesn't stand for the National Anthem..

OH NO! THEY DIDN'T STAND! THEY DON"T BELONG HERE! DERP DERP DERP AMURICA! DERP DERP YOU DISRESPEKIN' MUH FLAG!

 

No they aren't, shit for brains..

They are literally, taking a knee..

Would I ever do it at a sporting event? Fuck no!
Do I give a shit that someone else does! Fuck no!
Do I get annoyed at every single person who thinks that because you don't stand, you are Un-American, a traitor, a commie, pussy, snowflake, yadda yadda yadda?
Fuck yes!

Get off your high horses and shut the fuck up about it already! If you're going to boycott the NFL, fucking do it already! 
On here, facebook, and at the bar,  bitching about it, while your dumbasses sit down and have a drink while it's on..

NEWS FLASH GENIUSES!
You can still support America, the military, and law enforcement if you don't have a problem with people kneeling..

 

[The Gipper]

9 minutes ago, domcucch1994 said:

I don't understand why people can't let bygones be bygones, put on their big boy pants, and stop bitching about this!
YOU are the ones taking offense because YOU can't see why these players kneel.. You only get your feelings hurt because god forbid, some guy doesn't stand for the National Anthem..

OH NO! THEY DIDN'T STAND! THEY DON"T BELONG HERE! DERP DERP DERP AMURICA! DERP DERP YOU DISRESPEKIN' MUH FLAG!

 

No they aren't, shit for brains..

They are literally, taking a knee..

Would I ever do it at a sporting event? Fuck no!
Do I give a shit that someone else does! Fuck no!
Do I get annoyed at every single person who thinks that because you don't stand, you are Un-American, a traitor, a commie, pussy, snowflake, yadda yadda yadda?
Fuck yes!

Get off your high horses and shut the fuck up about it already! If you're going to boycott the NFL, fucking do it already! 
On here, facebook, and at the bar,  bitching about it, while your dumbasses sit down and have a drink while it's on..

NEWS FLASH GENIUSES!
You can still support America, the military, and law enforcement if you don't have a problem with people kneeling..

 

Interpretation:  Grow Up and Get a Life.???

So? Do you think that DJT is saying to Kim Jong Un....."right here, baby.  Aim your nuke right here at Arlington TX and AT&T Stadium."

(actually...the only better target may be the big ketchup bottle.....but that is too close to home...but, no...Trump would point them at Dallas.....he also has a long running feud with Mark Cuban:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2016/09/26/history-of-the-mark-cuban-and-donald-trump-feud/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

[wargograw]

15 hours ago, Clevfan4life said:

Cal stop watching football. Same fir u steve. You guys obviously will never get over this so its time to stop watching football and coming here to talk about the browns. 

By the same token, the kneelers should just move out of the country. 

[flyingfooldoug]

Kneel and Bob. 

 

 

[The Gipper]

40 minutes ago, wargograw said:

By the same token, the kneelers should just move out of the country. 

So? Should anyone who want to exercise their free speech do that?   Like say, people who want to protest against abortion?  Or Nazis and KKK who want to protest the removal of CSA statues?  Or anti-war protestors, or  how about all those disabled people who were at the Capitol protesting over the health care issue. How about veterans group who protest over their treatment?    How about the Tea Party guys?   I mean the 1773 Tea Party guys.

What about Violent Protestors?  There have been  a number.  What about these guys...violent protestors:

http://www.battleroad.org/

[DieHardBrownsFan]

     ...

[The Gipper]

6 minutes ago, DieHardBrownsFan said:

     ...

If YOU really want to protest....delete your account here. Take the knee.

Or, at least:

 

[calfoxwc]

53 minutes ago, The Gipper said:

So? Should anyone who want to exercise their free speech do that?   Like say, people who want to protest against abortion?  Or Nazis and KKK who want to protest the removal of CSA statues?  Or anti-war protestors, or  how about all those disabled people who were at the Capitol protesting over the health care issue. How about veterans group who protest over their treatment?    How about the Tea Party guys?   I mean the 1773 Tea Party guys.

What about Violent Protestors?  There have been  a number.  What about these guys...violent protestors:

http://www.battleroad.org/

Gipper translation:

"well, by golly, what about the dinosaurs and dragons, you fools? and the aliens who came here when I was a kid back

in the 1890's ! and the DIRT ! I know dirt, and you don't, and what about the dragon people who play in the NFL, huh? blah blah blah blah... "

[calfoxwc]

Gipper = (Trump)2

[Unsympathetic]

Of course -- Cheeto-Face is just a overgrown toddler who can't let a past perceived slight drop, no matter how beneficial it would be if he did so.

Instead of spending his time clearing roadblocks to any and all possible relief efforts for the multiple US areas that are now below Third World status, he picked a fight that didn't even exist prior to his rage-tweetstorm.

[Tour2ma]

2 hours ago, wargograw said:

By the same token, the kneelers should just move out of the country. 

Should? Bit haughty for a regular guy...

I'm good with them staying and trying to make the country a better place.

[Unsympathetic]

Trump is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, “although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,” wrote Orwell, tends to be “uninterested in what happens in the real world.” Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism “has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.”

 

A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better.

 

Using governmental power to compel a player to stop kneeling [whether you agree with the action OR NOT] is a direct violation of the First Amendment.  That's not living up to the stated ideals of America.

[tiamat63]

1 minute ago, Tour2ma said:

Should? Bit haughty for a regular guy...

I'm good with them staying and trying to make the country a better place.

 

By that same line of thinking I should dump my girlfriend because she isn't Lacey Chabert. 

People don't realize how dumb it sounds until they get a counter example. 

[OldBrownsFan]

The NFL needs to get it's own house in order and decide which of their own rules they are going to enforce. They should enforce them all and not selectively enforce their rules. If they are going to tell the Cowboys they cannot honor slain police officers because of the rules then players should be made to obey the rules in regards to standing and honoring the national anthem. 

If I remember right at one time players did remain in the locker room while the national anthem was played but came out in recent years to show patriotism and support for the military. The toothpaste is out of the tube now and  I see no way of going back. if the NFL would try to revert to that again it won't fly as the Steelers tried that already. The solution is really simple enforce all the rules here.

Trump may have poured gas on the fire but the real problem are NFL players doing something that offends many of their fans (customers). 

 

 

[Tour2ma]

Depends... Who is Lacey Chabert?

[TexasAg1969]

Political Board please.