Baker Mayfield

[TexasAg1969]

35 minutes ago, ATOM said:

o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?

Conner Weigman in 2025.😂😂😂😂

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Hopefully, Mayfield plays his entire career with the Browns and leads us to many Super Bowls.

 

[tiamat63]

4 minutes ago, Neo said:

Name one QB in the league already that isn't named Brady or Rodgers that can come here and turn things around quickly. Any other QB will surely take time to right the ship. I would give Matt Ryan an honorable mention but who knows how much he has left in the tank?

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and if not, then your talking about drafting another QB, which is even more time.

Joe Burrow. 

What did I win?

[ATOM]

Just now, TexasAg1969 said:

Conner Weigman in 2025.😂😂😂😂

hell ya we gotta get that guy

[Neo]

Just now, tiamat63 said:

Joe Burrow. 

What did I win?

So, what do you think we would have to give up for Joe Burrow?

[tiamat63]

2 minutes ago, Neo said:

So, what do you think we would have to give up for Joe Burrow?

Nothing, because it'll never happen.   Just a dream scenario. 

As for who can turn it around? Baker is a good candidate provided he commits to film study and cut out the terrible decision making.  That's all this offense needs to at least be reliable.  

[Neo]

somebody should create a poll on which new age QB will be first to win a Super Bowl. Minus Pat Mahomes because he already won.

Mac Jones

Trevor Lawerence

Joe Burrow

Josh Allen

Lamar Jackson

Baker Mayfield

Justin Herbert

Tua Tagovailoa

Kyler Murray 

Jalen Hurts

Did I miss any?

[ATOM]

12 minutes ago, Neo said:

 

Baker

[nickers]

1 hour ago, BernieSuperBowl2 said:

A classic Baker apologist post, cherry picking some random stat from another QB to justify Baker's shittyness.

Here's some real, actual data comparing all starting QB's in 2021. The key stat is not how many interceptions, but how many interceptions per attempt. You'll note Baker was 4th worst in interceptions per attempt in the entire NFL. The only QB's worse were Justin Fields, Mike Glennon, and Zach Wilson - two rookies and a 3rd string QB thrust into the starting role due to injuries - all on terrible teams. No matter how you spin it, Baker was complete dog shit this year. 

NAME	SEASON	TM	GP	INT	ATT	INTERCEPTIONS PER ATTEMPT
Justin Fields	Justin Fields	2021	CHICHI	12	159	13.25
Mike Glennon	Mike Glennon	2021	NYGNYG	6	90	15
Zach Wilson	Zach Wilson	2021	NYJNYJ	13	213	16.38461538
Baker Mayfield	Baker Mayfield	2021	CLECLE	14	253	18.07142857
Andy Dalton	Andy Dalton	2021	CHICHI	8	149	18.625
Taylor Heinicke	Taylor Heinicke	2021	WASWAS	16	321	20.0625
Jimmy Garoppolo	Jimmy Garoppolo	2021	SFSF	15	301	20.06666667
Tua Tagovailoa	Tua Tagovailoa	2021	MIAMIA	13	263	20.23076923
Davis Mills	Davis Mills	2021	HOUHOU	13	263	20.23076923
Sam Darnold	Sam Darnold	2021	CARCAR	12	243	20.25
Lamar Jackson	Lamar Jackson	2021	BALBAL	12	246	20.5
Mac Jones	Mac Jones	2021	NENE	17	352	20.70588235
Ryan Tannehill	Ryan Tannehill	2021	TENTEN	17	357	21
Trevor Lawrence	Trevor Lawrence	2021	JAXJAX	17	359	21.11764706
Matt Ryan	Matt Ryan	2021	ATLATL	17	375	22.05882353
Joe Burrow	Joe Burrow	2021	CINCIN	16	366	22.875
Matthew Stafford	Matthew Stafford	2021	LARLAR	17	404	23.76470588
Kyler Murray	Kyler Murray	2021	ARIARI	14	333	23.78571429
Josh Allen	Josh Allen	2021	BUFBUF	17	409	24.05882353
Ben Roethlisberger	Ben Roethlisberger	2021	PITPIT	16	390	24.375
Derek Carr	Derek Carr	2021	LVLV	17	428	25.17647059
Dak Prescott	Dak Prescott	2021	DALDAL	16	410	25.625
Patrick Mahomes	Patrick Mahomes	2021	KCKC	17	436	25.64705882
Justin Herbert	Justin Herbert	2021	LACLAC	17	443	26.05882353
Tom Brady	Tom Brady	2021	TBTB	17	485	28.52941176

You are complete dog shit EVERY YEAR!

[BernieSuperBowl2]

50 minutes ago, nickers said:

You are complete dog shit EVERY YEAR!

Do you feel better about yourself now nickers?

[Orion]

1 hour ago, ATOM said:

o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?

...and so this is the $64k question.  But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker.  Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby.  We know that OBJ was not very productive here.  Is it all on Baker?  I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.

[TexasAg1969]

32 minutes ago, BernieSuperBowl2 said:

Do you feel better about yourself now nickers?

No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.

[BernieSuperBowl2]

Just now, TexasAg1969 said:

No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.

Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.

[ATOM]

32 minutes ago, Orion said:

...and so this is the $64k question.  But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker.  Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby.  We know that OBJ was not very productive here.  Is it all on Baker?  I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.

is it me or did baker seem to be better in the shotgun ?

[gumby73]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

As for who can turn it around?

Baker is a good candidate provided he commits to film study and cut out the terrible decision making. 

That's all this offense needs to at least be reliable.  

This ^^^

       

[tiamat63]

13 minutes ago, ATOM said:

is it me or did baker seem to be better in the shotgun ?

 

It's just you.  Bakers numbers from the gun, especially on straight drops, have been bad since Oklahoma.

[ATOM]

Just now, tiamat63 said:

 

It's just you.  Bakers numbers from the gun, especially on straight drops, have been bad since Oklahoma.

i do like his hand off's 

[jbluhm86]

51 minutes ago, Orion said:

...and so this is the $64k question.  But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker.  Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby.  We know that OBJ was not very productive here.  Is it all on Baker?  I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.

This reminded me of something I read a few years ago about Stefanski's time as OC in Minnesota. I did some digging and came up with this article from 2020 about why Stefon Diggs decided to leave the Vikings:

 Stefon Diggs finally admits why he wanted out of Minnesota

"Minnesota finished with the second-most rushing attempts in 2017 when they went 13-3 and made it all the way to the NFC Championship. Then the Vikings offense got pass-happy under new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in 2018 and Zimmer made it clear multiple times throughout the season that he wanted the team to run the ball more like they did in 2017.

DeFilippo didn’t listen to Minnesota’s head coach and it resulted in him getting fired before the 2018 season even ended.

Then Zimmer made Kevin Stefanski his offensive coordinator and the Vikings brought in Gary Kubiak to be an offensive adviser. Kubiak’s offensive scheme is known for its zone-blocking rushing attack and Minnesota wanted to implement his methods into their offense".

 

What struck me is the similarities between Diggs' criticism of the Vikings offensive scheme under Stefanski and OBJ and Co's critique of Stefanski as HC of the Browns. Stefanski is a disciple of Kubiak's system, so he priorities the running game over the passing game, perhaps to the detriment of the latter. It's all well and good to establish the run to help set up the passing game, but - to me at least - Stefanski relies too much on the running game and does not have a good enough passing game plan to compensate if that run game is shut down by opposing D's. Perhaps we don't have the personnel at WR to help stretch the field, but when you see that OBJ's performance in the final half of the 2021 season exceeded his production for the past year and a half with the Browns, barring injuries, it gets harder to blame OBJ being a diva as the sole reason for his lack of production with the Browns.

[ATOM]

1 hour ago, tiamat63 said:

 

It's just you.  Bakers numbers from the gun, especially on straight drops, have been bad since Oklahoma.

 

[Dutch Oven]

2 hours ago, TexasAg1969 said:

No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.

What do you think about this, calfox?

Oh... 

[TexasAg1969]

4 hours ago, BernieSuperBowl2 said:

Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.

Village idiots here? Say it ain't so!!😱

[Dutch Oven]

12 hours ago, BernieSuperBowl2 said:

Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.

The nice thing is, some of them kind of "self-identify" by using communist-themed profile pics, so at least you can see them coming. 😉

[gumby73]

55 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

 some of them kind of "self-identify" by using communist-themed profile pics, so at least you can see them coming. 😉

     😀     

 

[Furious Styles]

16 hours ago, Orion said:

Is it all on Baker?  I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.

I say if you can’t ask OBJ ask his Father. I’m sure he’ll elaborate, possibly with video 😐

[Furious Styles]

Opinions aside, Baker will be the Browns QB next season. Deal with it.

[tiamat63]

1 hour ago, Furious Styles said:

I say if you can’t ask OBJ ask his Father. I’m sure he’ll elaborate, possibly with video 😐

The screenshot rolling around on the twittersphere and Instagram of Odell being "open" against San Diego was the lead off on his fathers clip.

Somewhere in this thread I broke down how that really wasn't Bakers "fault" given the play design vs what the bolts defense was showing.   However Baker isn't completely absolved from that play. My breakdown was fair.

 

It only highlighted how few people actually apply context and have the ability to do the work for themselves to find the answers. Or worse, how few people are willing to do it. The overwhelming majority will see something and align wherever their disposition previously held.   

 

I trust odells dads video like I trust an arsonist watching my home.

[Flugel]

16 hours ago, jbluhm86 said:

This reminded me of something I read a few years ago about Stefanski's time as OC in Minnesota. I did some digging and came up with this article from 2020 about why Stefon Diggs decided to leave the Vikings:

 Stefon Diggs finally admits why he wanted out of Minnesota

"Minnesota finished with the second-most rushing attempts in 2017 when they went 13-3 and made it all the way to the NFC Championship. Then the Vikings offense got pass-happy under new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in 2018 and Zimmer made it clear multiple times throughout the season that he wanted the team to run the ball more like they did in 2017.

DeFilippo didn’t listen to Minnesota’s head coach and it resulted in him getting fired before the 2018 season even ended.

Then Zimmer made Kevin Stefanski his offensive coordinator and the Vikings brought in Gary Kubiak to be an offensive adviser. Kubiak’s offensive scheme is known for its zone-blocking rushing attack and Minnesota wanted to implement his methods into their offense".

 

What struck me is the similarities between Diggs' criticism of the Vikings offensive scheme under Stefanski and OBJ and Co's critique of Stefanski as HC of the Browns. Stefanski is a disciple of Kubiak's system, so he priorities the running game over the passing game, perhaps to the detriment of the latter. It's all well and good to establish the run to help set up the passing game, but - to me at least - Stefanski relies too much on the running game and does not have a good enough passing game plan to compensate if that run game is shut down by opposing D's. Perhaps we don't have the personnel at WR to help stretch the field, but when you see that OBJ's performance in the final half of the 2021 season exceeded his production for the past year and a half with the Browns, barring injuries, it gets harder to blame OBJ being a diva as the sole reason for his lack of production with the Browns.

Nice job with that!  A little history on it, former Denver HC Mike Shanahan was the first coach to adopt the zone blocking schemes of Alex Gibbs (where Kubiak worked under Shanahan). Gibbs actually got this from Cincy OL Coach Jim McNally in the late 80s.  Denver won 2 Superbowls with in the 90s with it; and there were never any issues with getting passes to Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey in that offense.  The only thing that diluted their numbers were all the favorable matchups TE Shannon Sharpe exploited downfield.  Meatball on spaghetti, they had Terrell Davis putting up elite numbers rushing and scoring.  

The reason for all that, if you get all the right people in place - there's no reason you can't attack with your WRs.  Kyle Shanahan's favorite toy looks like Deebo Samuel while pretty much anyone he puts in at RB seems to be productive (including Samuel sometimes).

Here's a little video for anyone interested:

https://youtu.be/N-E2qsBii54

 

[ATOM]

21 hours ago, Orion said:

...and so this is the $64k question.  But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker.  Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby.  We know that OBJ was not very productive here.  Is it all on Baker?  I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.

do ya think being that obj is  A #2 in l.a has anything to do with it

[Orion]

2 hours ago, ATOM said:

do ya think being that obj is  A #2 in l.a has anything to do with it

Actually no, I don't think anything that OBJ is doing now matters regarding why we couldn't get him the ball...and/or why our passing game was a flop in 2021.  I would just love to know what he thought about the whole thing and why wanted out so badly.  I'm sure Berry knows, because he talked with him at the time....but Berry won't talk.  I even tried water-boarding on him. 

[gumby73]

8 minutes ago, Orion said:

I would just love to know what he thought about the whole thing and why wanted out so badly.  I'm sure Berry knows, because he talked with him at the time....but Berry won't talk.  I even tried water-boarding on him. 

I do know OBJ gave up guarantee'd money to leave.. Rare in the NFL..

Cabot alert 🏮.. But....I've read other reporters stating this same statement.. Confused since..

A source told cleveland.com that Beckham asked to be traded multiple times, including in the offseason when he was coming off surgery to repair a torn ACL. He asked again after the Steelers game, which cleveland.com has reported multiple times, in which he caught one pass for 6 yards..

here's Cabot's 1st gibber-jab...     https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/11/browns-to-release-odell-beckham-jr-friday-as-soon-as-the-financial-deal-is-reached-after-steelers-game-was-the-last-straw-for-his-camp-source-says.html

OBJ was timely added to the Rams roster after their true WR1 Robert Woods went down for the year.. Woods was having a good season..