🟫⬜️🟧🟧⬜️🟫Official Gameday Thread Jets at Browns 🟫⬜️🟧🟧⬜️🟫

[TypicalBrowns50]

Loss is on the defense, mainly secondary, missed tackles, and woods. 
 

Long year left,  but losing games like this is not what a playoff team does

[FALCON7]

22 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

13.

If it was 14 the game would have gone to OT.

Instead, our rookie kicker who can make it from 80 misses an extra point. 

I said to myself, that was a good time to miss a pat... I forgot they are still "the fucking browns"

[Browns149]

1 minute ago, bjh2130 said:

One thing is for certain. I hate seeing our secondary pointing at each other after every single completion. 

I can't believe we aren't sitting here with the browns being 2-0

I can believe it. I left my cabin up 30-17. Under 2 minutes to go. I told my wife they could lose it by the time I get home. AND THE FREAKIN DID. 

[Why?!?!?]

1 minute ago, TypicalBrowns50 said:

Loss is on the defense, mainly secondary, missed tackles, and woods. 
 

Long year left,  but losing games like this is not what a playoff team does

This is not a playoff team, and it’s entirely on coaching. 

[FALCON7]

Cooper had a good game, but he was a wimp when it came to trying to get the on side kick.

[nickers]

10 minutes ago, Neo said:

Brissett the guy that supposedly protects the ball, throws the interception. Last week's hero Cade York missed extra point. Another blown coverage same as last week. 

Just Browns being Browns.🤷‍♂️

I told you people Briquet is PURE SHIT!

[FALCON7]

Snapping the ball with 22 seconds still on the play clock at the 5:45 mark, wtf was that?

[Flugel]

16 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

Joe woods and this secondary figure it the F out.  Bench Delpit. 

Delpit is a very stupid football player.  No wonder why the Jets HC knew they were going to win this game all day.  The Jets scored on almost the same exact same play Carolina scored on us with.  I'm not really impressed with either of our Safeties at all.  Like Ron White of the Blue Collar Comedy Tour always said "You can't fix stupid!"  

When the Jets threw an incomplete pass on 3rd and 1 when they were near midfield in the 1st half - I KNOW I wasn't the only viewer thinking I hope we're ready for the fake punt. That's right where you do those things.

Then, when they scored with 15 seconds left in the 1st half with a pass in the flats without 1 LBer in the area code (all of them in the end zone) - of course they're gonna score an uncontested TD.  An OLB or a DE in walk-off assignment to the flats are supposed to have this 100% of the time.  We called timeout right before this play right?  Ummm, how about reminding your tired defense of their coverage responsibilities?  No?  All set?  Didn't look it!  Why was JOK waiting in the end zone

I keep hearing how talented this defense is but I'm sorry - but they didn't show that at all today. There's nothing worse than watching mental errors beat you when the opponent can't beat you without this generosity. David Njoku got a raise for WHAT?   Our RBs and backup QB played great games and hats off to Cooper and even Harrison Bryant.  The oline was good today too.  What did any of that matter though?

For having 2 good edge rushers, we're very vulnerable to teams running outside on us.  I remember Tyrod Taylor of the Texans last year on a play he pulled his hammy almost walking in for a TD outside.  We're doing some things on Defense that are very unsound.  I'd love to see us use Myles Garrett's power on the edge to use a Reggie White getting to the depth of QB drop and clamping down where he can make a tackle if the QB goes up inside or the QB bellies back around to allow defensive pursuit to get over. I'm baffled by what I saw out there today.  At least I can keep my expectations guarded as obviously needed.  

Game summary:  NY Jets if you can't beat Cleveland don't worry about it - they will beat themselves for you. Did I miss anything?

 

 

[tiamat63]

3 minutes ago, bjh2130 said:

One thing is for certain. I hate seeing our secondary pointing at each other after every single completion. 

I can't believe we aren't sitting here with the browns being 2-0

CCC.

Constant. Correct. Communication.    That's what I was always told.      

This much is clear from week 1 until now.

- Stef, Van Pelt and Jacoby needed to go to work in the film room and the white board to be better for this week.   They were.

- Woods and the assistant defensive coaches needed to make sure their players understand their calls and assignments.   They didn't.

 

I mentioned this last week.  If you feel you have a personnel issue, and your players (Myles) feel the same, then you either need to change his role or remove him from the starting lineup until he can make sure the call is translating to being assignment sound.

 

Delpit struggled last week, and without having the all-22 in front of me (yet) going by what Stef has said, he struggled this week when it mattered the most.  

He fills a great role when he's playing the nickel, a spot we currently have Harrison at on early downs.  But now that he has taken on an expanded role which requires communication and understanding, we see coverage breakdowns.   Not only today, but last week as well.   I'm not even including the fuck up by Newsome to Robby Anderson vs CAR either. 

[Flugel]

3 minutes ago, tiamat63 said:

CCC.

Constant. Correct. Communication.    That's what I was always told.      

This much is clear from week 1 until now.

- Stef, Van Pelt and Jacoby needed to go to work in the film room and the white board to be better for this week.   They were.

- Woods and the assistant defensive coaches needed to make sure their players understand their calls and assignments.   They didn't.

 

I mentioned this last week.  If you feel you have a personnel issue, and your players (Myles) feel the same, then you either need to change his role or remove him from the starting lineup until he can make sure the call is translating to being assignment sound.

 

Delpit struggled last week, and without having the all-22 in front of me (yet) going by what Stef has said, he struggled this week when it mattered the most.  

He fills a great role when he's playing the nickel, a spot we currently have Harrison at on early downs.  But now that he has taken on an expanded role which requires communication and understanding, we see coverage breakdowns.   Not only today, but last week as well.   I'm not even including the fuck up by Newsome to Robby Anderson vs CAR either. 

Looks like we were typing similar frustrations at the same time T.

[SdBacker80]

13 minutes ago, FALCON7 said:

Snapping the ball with 22 seconds still on the play clock at the 5:45 mark, wtf was that?

Nothing the offense did today made me upset at all. It wasn’t perfect but it was good enough to win…two weeks in row our new tackle held up well. We have a true number 1 WR finally.  We have a Professional QB and a great one two punch in the backfield and a line that supports what we need to do. 
 

We were playing a little tempo there and wearing their front down with chunk yardage in the run game…fine by me.  
 

But with under 2 mins and up by two scores we should have employed a prevent defense and made it known to all that no one gets behind you .

When the coverage breakdowns happened last week I thought great we have a teachable moment but we are doing so during a victory. You can’t let that happen the next week.

[Neo]

Plenty of blame to go around.  Njoku's drop was huge. Browns are notorious for putting it in cruise control when they think they have the game in the bag. You will never win a championship with that mindset.

[tiamat63]

2 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

 

But with under 2 mins and up by two scores we should have employed a prevent defense and made it know to all that no one gets behind you .

 

...... Didn't you mention earlier the problem with the defense was "bend but don't break".... ? 

[SdBacker80]

Just now, tiamat63 said:

 

...... Didn't you mention earlier the problem with the defense was "bend but don't break".... ? 

Yeah during the 58 minutes prior to this. 
 

But when your odds are 99.9 percent prevent or bend don’t break is perfectly fine 
 

[Neo]

You win a a team, you lose as a team. And today the Browns sure as hell lost as a team. This one is going to sting for awhile.

[VaporTrail]

This is as bad as the 2013 loss against the Pats. But that 3-minute, 12-point comeback was giftwrapped to them by the refs. For this one, all the blame is inward. How in the fuck does a defense let anyone behind them in that situation?

[Dutch Oven]

37 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

Nothing the offense did today made me upset at all. It wasn’t perfect but it was good enough to win…two weeks in row our new tackle held up well. We have a true number 1 WR finally.  We have a Professional QB and a great one two punch in the backfield and a line that supports what we need to do. 

The Browns offense has scored 26 and 30 points the first two weeks of the season. 

I have zero complaints about that, at the end of the day. 

The defense, on the other hand, has been laughably inept at times. This was supposed to be the lynchpin of the team. 

[Dutch Oven]

25 minutes ago, VaporTrail said:

This is as bad as the 2013 loss against the Pats. But that 3-minute, 12-point comeback was giftwrapped to them by the refs. For this one, all the blame is inward. How in the fuck does a defense let anyone behind them in that situation?

This is as bad as the 2001 Browns vs Bears game in Chicago.

I'm sure most of us - at least somewhere stuffed deep in our subconscious - remember that game. 

[VaporTrail]

9 minutes ago, Dutch Oven said:

This is as bad as the 2001 Browns vs Bears game in Chicago.

I'm sure most of us - at least somewhere stuffed deep in our subconscious - remember that game. 

Fuck me, was that the one where couch threw a pick off the helmet in OT?

[FY56]

My preseason feelings were that this division was gonna be pretty damn good. Even the steelers.

After today there's good reason to believe they all suck. Man, we are a 60yd field goal from being 0-2.

[Dutch Oven]

2 minutes ago, VaporTrail said:

Fuck me, was that the one where couch threw a pick off the helmet in OT?

It was the last time a team lost when leading by two touchdowns with less than two minutes left in the game.

And, yes. 

[Unsympathetic]

I'm just glad we're able to get over that optimism about the season thing.  And planning to draft a safety in the second [again] in 2023.

I thought "The prevent defense just prevents a win" was something coaches learned by playing Madden as a kid..

[Neo]

I'm sorry but that logo on the field has to go. And can we go back to the all dark brown uni's with the orange lettering? Good things seem to happen when we wear those.

[Westside Steve]

Ironic that Cade York is now responsible for one win and one loss.

WSS

[Neo]

2 minutes ago, Westside Steve said:

Ironic that Cade York is now responsible for one win and one loss.

WSS

Partially responsible. Njoku's drop, blown coverage, Jacoby's pick, all contributing factors.

[Westside Steve]

29 minutes ago, Neo said:

Partially responsible. Njoku's drop, blown coverage, Jacoby's pick, all contributing factors.

Yes I realize it was lots more than the one extra point. And more than one thing last week too. Two games two ends of the stick.

WSS

[Orion]

We LOST to the Jets?!  Are you kidding me?!    Sonuvabitch!      -  Just got back from my band's outdoor show.

So, just lookin' at stats.....Amari Cooper had a good day....but DPJ & Schwartz were nowhere to be found.  

 

[Dutch Oven]

14 minutes ago, Orion said:

We LOST to the Jets?!  Are you kidding me?!    Sonuvabitch!      -  Just got back from my band's outdoor show.

So, just lookin' at stats.....Amari Cooper had a good day....but DPJ & Schwartz were nowhere to be found.  

 

Cooper was really, really good. Wished he would have gotten that onside kick, though.

DPJ almost caught an amazing touchdown.

I honestly do not remember ever seeing Schwartz. The Jets have a small, super fast WR in Berrios that they get involved in short screens, pitches and end arounds, I'm sure Stefanski would love to do something similar with Schwartz, but that's a pipe dream at this point. 

[Orion]

1 minute ago, Dutch Oven said:

Wished he would have gotten that onside kick, though.

So they got an onside kick against us?       

[Flugel]

54 minutes ago, Neo said:

Partially responsible. Njoku's drop, blown coverage, Jacoby's pick, all contributing factors.

This defense made Joe Flacco look like Joe Montana; and that's been a pretty difficult thing for defenses to accomplish in the last 3-4 years or so.  

FWIW, here's our backup QB Jacoby Brissett's numbers today: 22 of 27 for 229 yards 1 TD and 1 INT.   

Of the 5 incompletes, 2 of them were caught with WR's well covered but they couldn't get both feet down in-bounds. 1 of them was originally ruled a TD - then overturned by replay; because DPJ bobbled the ball and didn't secure it until one foot was out of bounds.  Another incomplete was Njoku's drop you acknowledged above. One was a throw away. The last one was an INT after the Browns inexcusably gagged on a 13 point lead to the suddenly unbeatable Jets offense today.  I'd say he did enough to help this team win, which is more than I can say for a lot of the defensive players that didn't do their job today.  The offense got them leads they couldn't protect.  Same with last week if not for a 58 yard FG from a rookie at the end of the game.