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Great point. If I may inflect...

 

Many Super Bowl QB's weren't with the team that drafted them. I haven't looked it up but I'd bet more QB's that have played for more than one team outnumber the QB's that have been with the team that drafted them.

I detailed this entire thing on here. Didn't you read that?

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Bell was a 4th rounder that just happened to be our first pick that year and I am well aware of who we've passed on. Are you aware there is not one QB from the passed 10 drafts that was selected in the top 10 and currently wears a ring? The only 2 in the past 20 drafts to fit that criteria are the Manning Bros.

Interesting. I will check on that. Here is the deal.

 

Since 1995, yes, the only QBs drafted in the top ten of the draft to win the SB are Peyton and Eli. But, the following were in the SB but lost:

Kerry Collins

Steve McNair

Donovan McNabb

Cam Newton

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Interesting. I will check on that. Here is the deal.

 

Since 1995, yes, the only QBs drafted in the top ten of the draft to win the SB are Peyton and Eli. But, the following were in the SB but lost:

Kerry Collins

Steve McNair

Donovan McNabb

Cam Newton

To extrapolate on this. The following are the other first round QBs (1 to 32) besides Eli and Peyton to win a Super Bowl:

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Rodgers

Flacco

 

The following is the only other first round QB to lose (and not win) a Super Bowl:

Rex Grossman

 

And one caveat: Brees, drafted at 32...then a second rounder, did win a SB.

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Going all the way back to 1990, the following were QBs taken in Round one who started a Super Bowl:

 

Peyton Manning

Cam Newton

Joe Flacco

Eli Manning

Aaron Rodgers

Ben R.

Rex Grossman

Donovan McNabb

Steve McNair

Kerry Collins

Trent Dilfer

John Elway

Drew Bledsoe

Troy Aikman

Steve Young

Jim Kelly

 

The following were NON first round draft picks to start a Super Bowl:

 

Tom Brady

Russell Wilson

Colin Kaepernick

Drew Brees

Kurt Warner

Matt Hasselback

Jake Delhomme

Rich Gannon

Brad Johnson

Chris Chandler

Brett Favre

Neil O'Donnell

Stan Humphries

Mark Rypien

Jeff Hostetler

Joe Montana

 

That is actually 15 first rounders.....and 16 non first rounders.

 

For what that's worth.

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It probably means the Shanahans badmouthed RG III to Elway.

Doubt it...

 

All teams heard the same negatives. Hue was the one person who looked into RG's eyes and believed him when he said he'd learned his lesson.

 

Hue's may be the correct read, but it is easiest to be humble when you have nothing.

 

Hue Jackson is the man. I'm not saying it, Jimmy is. Hue was Jimmy's first choice this time, so I expect he will ride this ride longer than most. If Hue finds a Dalton-like prospect out there he can mold into a winner from round 2 or 3 of the draft, would that be considered neglect?

He'd better be the man-and-a-half if he's going to find and develop a QB on an Andy Dalton time schedule...

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The following were NON first round draft picks to start a Super Bowl:

 

Tom Brady

Russell Wilson

Colin Kaepernick

Drew Brees

Kurt Warner

Matt Hasselback

Jake Delhomme

Rich Gannon

Brad Johnson

Chris Chandler

Brett Favre

Neil O'Donnell

Stan Humphries

Mark Rypien

Jeff Hostetler

Joe Montana

 

That is actually 15 first rounders.....and 16 non first rounders.

For what that's worth.

 

Not to be a butthead Gip, but looking at that list, how many of those non first rounders were consistently great? Montana is in the HOF, Farve joins him this year, Brady is a lock, and Brees is a probable.

 

Other than that- a lot of one and done-s. Some because their respective defenses were all world. Even first rounder Trent Dilfer owes that SB win to Ray Lewis and Company.

 

I suppose I can settle for "Just one before I die". But wouldn't it be nice for a change to have a decade of greatness with a Otto Graham clone running the show? Otto retired 61 years ago. I'd say the Browns are long overdue for another HOF quarterback. :):):)

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Would it be fair to say Andy Dalton = Vinnie Testaverde?

Not really. I think Dalton has been better than that. Vinny only went to the playoffs 5 times in his long career. Dalton has already been there in his first 4 years in the league.

Plus I think Dalton's completion pct. and int. pct are quite a bit better than Vinny's.

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Not to be a butthead Gip, but looking at that list, how many of those non first rounders were consistently great? Montana is in the HOF, Farve joins him this year, Brady is a lock, and Brees is a probable.

 

Other than that- a lot of one and done-s. Some because their respective defenses were all world. Even first rounder Trent Dilfer owes that SB win to Ray Lewis and Company.

 

I suppose I can settle for "Just one before I die". But wouldn't it be nice for a change to have a decade of greatness with a Otto Graham clone running the show? Otto retired 61 years ago. I'd say the Browns are long overdue for another HOF quarterback. :):):)

I am only basically giving raw data here. About as many of the first rounders were "one and done" as were the non first rounders....and some of the non first rounders were clearly around for a decade of greatness.

The two QBs probably considered the greatest of all were the non first rounders: Brady/Montana.

Odds are certainly better in getting a franchise QB in the first round.....But the other rounds do produce to occasional superstar.

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Not really. I think Dalton has been better than that. Vinny only went to the playoffs 5 times in his long career. Dalton has already been there in his first 4 years in the league.

Plus I think Dalton's completion pct. and int. pct are quite a bit better than Vinny's.

I was going to ask h to ask again in 5 or 10 years...

 

Vinny spent much of his career being his team's best offensive player. Hardly the case with Andy...

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Gipper is still mad about Vinny vs Bernie.

 

WSS

No, I actually liked them both. It was Bernie vs. Todd Philcox that got me mad.

 

And I always said that if you could combine Bernie's brain with Testaverde's arm and body you would have had the greatest QB ever.

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Link below to transcript of RG's Media Conference call...

Warning: Is oozing oversized ego...

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/18419/transcript-of-robert-griffin-iiis-media-conference-call

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I mean seriously- the best quarterbacks in the draft almost always go to talent depleted teams. Like the Tampa, the Jags and Titans were loaded when they took their franchise qbs? Only luck out was Rodgers who fell far enough to sit behind Farve. Andrew Luck was a fluke too, as you could almost say the Colts tanked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're missing the point. I counted Wilson in the non first round QBs. Doesn't matter the teams that drafted Manning and Rothlisberger were having down years- you forget where they got drafted? Manning #1 overall. Ben #9. That is the point. Recent SB wining QBs in general were drafted high in the first round. Brady skews the stats, and there's the occasional outlier like Wilson or Warner.

 

 

 

You can count Wilson wherever you want but some best QBs, regardless of draft position, in the last decade weren't drafted to bad teams. Eli & Big Ben won because they were drafted into very good situations. Show me the top QB of the last 10 years drafted to a bottom feeding team that has won a Super Bowl? Probably have to go all the way back to Troy Aikman in 1989.

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You can count Wilson wherever you want but some best QBs, regardless of draft position, in the last decade weren't drafted to bad teams. Eli & Big Ben won because they were drafted into very good situations. Show me the top QB of the last 10 years drafted to a bottom feeding team that has won a Super Bowl? Probably have to go all the way back to Troy Aikman in 1989.

 

so if YOU want the browns to wait to have a good team to warrant a first round pick of their supposed franchise QB, WE should have to wait what......another 3<6 years?

 

no thank you.

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so if YOU want the browns to wait to have a good team to warrant a first round pick of their supposed franchise QB, WE should have to wait what......another 3<6 years?

 

no thank you.

 

 

No need to wait if you think you've got the next Andrew Luck. I'll be the first to admit I don't know anything other than surface facts on Goff & Wentz. I didn't watch too many Cal and North Dakota State games this year, as I'd wager many in here didn't. There are persons inside the organization whose job it is to perform that task and they will ultimately make the decision. As a fan I think drafting a QB in the top 10 because you have a need and you think a guy could be the one isn't the best plan when you have glaring needs all over your football team.

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You can count Wilson wherever you want but some best QBs, regardless of draft position, in the last decade weren't drafted to bad teams. Eli & Big Ben won because they were drafted into very good situations. Show me the top QB of the last 10 years drafted to a bottom feeding team that has won a Super Bowl? Probably have to go all the way back to Troy Aikman in 1989.

 

That line of thinking doesn't mean diddly-doo. Duh- and great quarterbacks drafted to bad teams don't win right away. Don't know how old you are- but plenty of folks my age say Archie Manning could have won a couple Super Bowls if he had been playing on a team like Green Bay, instead of the paper bag on your head Aints. Cam Newton got drafted to an ostensibly horrible team, and made it to the Super Bowl. So you have to be drafted to a team only missing a qb & all the other pieces are in place? You just plain can't count on being that lucky. FWIW, the Browns should have drafted Ben. I live right down the road from Miami of Ohio, and I was screaming for the Browns to draft him. If you want to argue he would have flamed out in Cleveland- be my guest. Eli only went to the Giants because him and pops Archie refused to go to San Diego, hence the trade. At least the Chargers got a nice consolation prize in Phil Rivers out of that deal. PS Eli only won one of his Super Bowls because of the biggest miracle catch in the history of the NFL.

 

 

so if YOU want the browns to wait to have a good team to warrant a first round pick of their supposed franchise QB, WE should have to wait what......another 3<6 years?

 

no thank you.

 

Exactly Mik. I have no idea what the Brown's opinion of Goff or Wentz is- but if they see "franchise QB" they're going to draft one or the other. BTW, I didn't want Quinn, Wee-done or JFF. The odds say around 30%. It's time to roll the dice again, and hope we get lucky.

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Well, it sounds like we gave up on Johnny for the same reasons, I just saw it a year and half earlier.

 

Let's pretend Johnny is sober, three inches taller, with a rocket arm and wants to play in Cleveland ... we just signed that guy.

 

"Cries racism" ... Say What?? Griffin? When did RG3 cry racism?

 

I remember a lot of people on the outside crying racism ... I guess they like to do that. But never heard it from Griffin.

 

He comes from good people. His parents were both Army sergeants, he's a strong christian, a family man.

 

He was practically best friends with Dan Snyder, so I don't think he found him to be "racist".

 

He didn't get along with his coaches. He brooded.

 

People mature.

 

Brooding while being black is a turn off I guess. Meanwhile, our little shit was telling his teammates last year "Boy, I bet the weather is nice in Dallas!" in the middle of the season.

 

From all reports Griffin was a good teammate last year, accepted third string role and if you can find a quote directly from him, that shows he was ever racist, or was a bad teammate in the past year, I'd like to read it.

 

The reason he was third string and inactive behind McCoy was because the Redskins would have to pay him a huge buyout if he played and got injured, so, once they decided to start Cousins, they shelved RG3 all together. Turns out that was good for us, not only should he be humbled ... but his legs should be fresh.

 

But you are free not to like him. He did brood in his early 20's.

 

As for McCown, I love him too, but he's 37. His work is done here, you get a higher ceiling with Griffin. Low risk, high reward. Hue Jack is a QB guy, he's looking for younger raw material he can mold. He doesn't need a "mentor", that is what the coaching staff is for.

 

Zombo

Pretty well sums up my feelings on the matter. The only drama surrounding RG3 last year was generated by the media. when a former ROY who cost his team several high draft picks isn't playing it's good talking point. He wasn't beating his girlfriend or showing up to practice drunk or wearing disguises to go to Vegas the night before a game.

 

As I see it, the only legitimate gripe is his ability to stay healthy, but McCown couldn't stay on the field last year either. The worst case scenario is the Browns pay a relative pittance for a guy who flames out. Do we expect the Browns to go anywhere this season anyway? If the Browns don't make the AFC title game, does that fall squarely on the shoulders of RG3?

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You see what you look for, I guess...

I found this, the 2nd question, simply too hard to ignore....

 

Q: Where do you stand physically and mentally in terms of regaining the promise you once had in the NFL?

 

Griffin: I just feel like we’ve got a lot of work to do –

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I found this, the 2nd question, simply too hard to ignore....

 

Q: Where do you stand physically and mentally in terms of regaining the promise you once had in the NFL?

 

Griffin: I just feel like we’ve got a lot of work to do –

 

 

I gotta say, I like his answer.

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