TypicalBrowns Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Manziel is the starter. No where to go but up from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 That sucks. Expected better from Hoyer. I criticized Manziel for laughing near end of the JAX game (IIRC), so won't cut Hoyer slack here. Or Johnny for that matter for laughing in response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 And analyzers gonna analyze... Specific names? Correct, none mentioned save Hawk (except in passing), and Hawk's was a positive ref. But I do not feel I am misrepresenting anything, Steve. There is a fair amount of the all inclusive "We have to play better"... same as Hoyer. Just did a count.. I's - ~18 including a surprising amount of deluded, self-appraisal, e.g. "I did not think the game was too fast for me." "I was prepared." We's - ~22 including the above example plus, "team thing" and "we did not make plays on 3rd down." My original point was simply that many statements were identical to those Hoyer made in his pressers. Statements that lovers here jumped upon... Lovers gonna love... Don't really see what this has to do with the original post but again you misrepresented what he had to say in the press conference. That's all. He did not shy away from the blame. (and from my point of view the other facets of the game or a lot worse than they were last week. A lot.) And he sucked too. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 JFF all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 We'll know a lot more after three games, not one. Can't throw him under the bus yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 this could be the moment where these 2 came together for the first time. An enlightening, if you will. JFF realizing it aint as easy as it looks and Hoyer realizing he could still be the best QB here. Then laughing because they both gonna be rich no matter how they play. And shanny looks sour because he's realizing he needs a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Manziel's a hero, he's courageous, all-around team player. Hoyer's all about himself, cancer in the locker room, blaming his teammates. Whatever, the pissing on Hoyer's press conferences was only because people wanted to see Manziel...nothing else. Against ATL he only blamed himself, after that he got pulled and got asked questions in a manner to defend his position. We've clearly seen the "Hoyer doesn't talk to Manziel", "Hoyer about to be cut", "Teammates don't like Hoyer", "Hoyer kills children" stuff, and we've clearly seen how much BS it is. I understand benching Hoyer, but I don't understand why Cleveland wanted to trash and slander the only QB since 99' to have a winning record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I believe they were laughing about how Shanny thought the pistol offense would work lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I thought Manziel was being very honest - in the game, he hesitated, and screwed up. I met a Bengal fan at the Dallas airport last night - I congratulated him for a great payback, even though I only like paybacks when it's the Browns doing the paybacking... He was a classy guy - said the Browns humiliated Dalton and the Bengals at home, and it was the Bengals' turn - and the Browns have injuries etc. Said the Browns were getting very close, though, to being a power in the division - which will be great next year when they fill in a few more pieces, because they hate the Steelers. I just think that Hawkins was the distracting factor, and let the team down in their focus. And the Bengals were sky high with emotion - the Browns, not so much. and... Hoyer would have played a lot better, but the Browns would still have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I just think that Hawkins was the distracting factor, and let the team down in their focus. Based on what Im reading, it was Hawkins t shirt and the coin toss. Both cost us dearly and pretty much wasted an otherwise tremendous effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Otto Graham and Joe Theismann both used to play QBs and return punts. JFF would do no worse at the job than who we have doing it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. But yet that's what we did. I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME Just what passing plays do not require reads? Roll outs simply cut the field in half. And then there's the pre-snap reads that include line calls. Not sure if BH had been involved in those, but I am pretty sure JM was not. Still want to see this asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. But yet that's what we did. I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY Holy fuck, you're kidding right? Those who wanted Manziel to start, what did you expect him to do? Take a snap and just wait to see someone run open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Nothing to laugh about when your team is losing. I'm old school, that's just how I see it. I thought you were too young to be "old school". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh come on Z, a punt returner?? He's way too slow for that....... Holder maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Hoyer: Johnny you suck! haha Johnny: I can't believe Haslam is paying this much to suck! haha Shanny: I need a fucking QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 You might be a Retard. On his first start, Weeden threw 4 picks and got stuck underneath the flag. God the flag moment was so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonLegthigh Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I know you are not suggesting that the whole team actually "conspired to suck", but I think it is fair to say that they were looking for inspiration from JM that never came. Yea I wasn't suggesting that but you are right that johnny showed nothing inspiring yesterday. Even with the team sucking, a couple decent plays, which people said he could make by himself when the rest of the team was sucking, would have maybe gotten some sort of spark out of the team. Maybe at least enough for a TD, a fg, anything. Instead he just maybe inspirationally bad rookie plays and throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Don't really see what this has to do with the original post but again you misrepresented what he had to say in the press conference. That's all. I restated what I originally said, but you appeared to not comprehend. I took a shot. JM said what I said he said. A lot of we's... even gave you a count. He said other stuff as well, credible "my bad" stuff. And he said other stuff that was self-serving and delusional. You think I'm misrepresenting... I think you're being intentionally dense... Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses. Which is the reason so many didn't want to pick him in the first place But yet that's what we did. Because thats what NFL QB's need to do to succeed in this league I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME Im confused. Your mad that he stayed in the pocket, but mad that he rolled out? also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY Confused again. So we were wrong to run at the 27th worst run defense? Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject. As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post. (it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.) WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss Gotta admit, that's a unique argument for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manzier Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 For some reason if you like one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one. WSS This is my pain. The polarizing nature of these 2 QB's. And the inability of those that love them(or hate them) to accept objective analysis. So many are too fast to condemn. And on the other side, so many feel the need to defend, even in the face of horrible play. And its so extreme(the love and hate for one) that now that we have lost 4 out of 5 games, we are debating how our QB's respond verbally to their terrible play at press conferences?? Which one grovels best?. Im more worried how he'll respond next week on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Holy Joe Theismann, Z-Man... Joe went to George Allen volunteered to return punts. Just wanted to contribute more to the team than being the 3rd stringer he was at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh come on Z, a punt returner?? He's way too slow for that....... Holder maybe? Oh no you didn't... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss Nah... that's a different thread... http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31318 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject. As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post. Not angry either, Steve, just incredulous... until your latest installment. Now I see the issue and that you batted .500 in what you said above about "my points". You were right to take as my point that Manziel said many of the same things Hoyer said and was criticized by many Manziel backers for saying. You wrong to take as a point that I was saying Manziel "fell short" for saying the same. Completely beside the point. My intent was to point out to the JM backers that their boy was saying much of the same. Either both were in the wrong or both were in the right. I lean toward the latter. There have been a lot of "we" failures for weeks now. Peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh come on Z, a punt returner?? He's way too slow for that....... Holder maybe? Punt holder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicopee John Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject. As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post. (it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.) WSS Ginger on Mary Ann? One must have been a stinker, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I,said it after the draft,I said it while he held the clipboard and I will now shout it from the rooftops. Manziel will never be a successful, let alone "elite" QB in the pros as some have and some still say.I believe HASLEM wanted "Johnny Sideshow" not for his presumed talent but a marketing ploy to sell shit at the pro shop. I also said and still say that the worst thing we could do is play this little shit and expose just how worthless this guy was at #22 overall. In the aftermath of Sundays debachle (and there was not one hint of the myth, the legend "Johnny Football"). We may have fucked up our chance to keep Hoyer (who I still say is a very talented Qb), and don't have near the talent we could have gotten at #22 last year. Don't get your panties in a wad, I didn't say Hoyer was going to take us to a Super Bowl but he fits the bill rather nicely as the style of qb we need as we rebuild. The qb position is normaly the biggest expense and always the the most important piece of the puzzle which in my estimation should be the last piece. Rebuild a team around the style qb you need on the cheap and when you get close spend the money. Look at the Rams ..... Sam Bradford early piece of the puzzle, ...... broke down. Look at the Broncos ....... rebuild, go out and buy Manning . And I can hear the bullshit already. Give Johnny a chance, he's only played one game, he's still learning. Well if he still needs to learn he should have STAYED IN FUCKING SCHOOL at A&M. We also have another Qb who fits the right style in Conner Shaw. He will be around the NFL long after the Sideshow is gone. GO BROWNS AND PLEASE GO BACK TO TEXAS JOHNNY AND GET A DEGREE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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