Baker to Carolina

[calfoxwc]

4 hours ago, ballpeen said:

I have thought about the injury deal. 

My feeling is Baker had some really good games while "injured", so why did the injurt not bother him in those games?

Just saying

well, football is a game of matchups. Let's say, sometimes the weak wr group could get open vs one team's secondary, sometimes they couldn't get open much at all. Maybe....some teams don't have great pass rushers and a terrific secondary, with fast lb's who can also cover short range....

    maybe....sometimes Stephanski's stupid playcalling screwed up the browns' chances, sometimes didn't.

[calfoxwc]

Baker has never been "average" - ignoring his accomplishments and what he meant to the browns -

just is bs.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baker-mayfield-by-the-numbers-browns-quarterback-on-pace-to-match-impressive-peyton-manning-dan-marino-marks/

Baker Mayfield by the numbers: Browns quarterback on pace to match impressive Peyton Manning, Dan Marino marks

Mayfield is chasing history matched only by Manning as he enters his fourth season

[calfoxwc]

Let's look at the stats - where Baker shows up in these following catagories - compared to the other successful qb's in browns history:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/where-baker-mayfield-ranks-among-browns-quarterbacks-in-career-season-game-stats/ar-AAZhnKM

 

CAREER

Passing Yards

1. Brian Sipe 23,713

2. Otto Graham 23,584

3. Bernie Kosar 21,904

4. Baker Mayfield 14,125

5. Frank Ryan 13,361

Passing Attempts

1. Brian Sipe 3,439

2. Bernie Kosar 3,150

3. Otto Graham 2,626

4. Baker Mayfield 1,924

5. Frank Ryan 1,755

Passing Completions

1. Brian Sipe 1,944

2. Bernie Kosar 1,853

3. Otto Graham 1,464

4. Baker Mayfield 1,185

5. Tim Couch 1,025

Passing Touchdowns

1. Otto Graham 174

2. Brian Sipe 154

3. Frank Ryan 134

4. Bernie Kosar 116

5. Baker Mayfield 92

Interceptions

1. Brian Sipe 149

2. Otto Graham 135

3. Frank Ryan 88

4. (tie) Bernie Kosar 81; Mike Phipps 81

8. Baker Mayfield 56

Completion Percentage (among top 10 in attempts)

1. Baker Mayfield 61.6

2. Tim Couch 59.8

3. Bernie Kosar 58.8

4. Milt Plum 57.9

5. Brian Sipe 56.5

Passer Rating (among top 10 in attempts)

1. Milt Plum 89.9

2. Baker Mayfield 87.8

3. Otto Graham 86.6

4. Bernie Kosar 81.6

5. Frank Ryan 81.4

Games Played

1. Otto Graham 126

2. Brian Sipe 125

3. Bernie Kosar 108

4. Mike Phipps 88

5. Frank Ryan 84

8. * Baker Mayfield 60

SEASON

Passing Yards

1. Brian Sipe (1980) 4,132

2. Brian Sipe (1981) 3,976

3. Bernie Kosar (1986) 3,854

4. Baker Mayfield (2019) 3,827

5. Brian Sipe (1979) 3,793

Passing Attempts

1. Brian Sipe (1981) 567

2. Brian Sipe (1980) 554

3. Brian Sipe (1979) 535

4. Baker Mayfield (2019) 534

5. Bernie Kosar (1986) 531

Passing Completions

1. Brian Sipe (1980) 337

2. Baker Mayfield (2019) 317

3. Brian Sipe (1981) 313

4. (tie) Bernie Kosar (1986) 310; Baker Mayfield (2018) 310

Passing Touchdowns

1. Brian Sipe (1980) 30

2. (tie) Derek Anderson (2007) 29; Frank Ryan (1966) 29

4. Brian Sipe (1979) 28

5. Baker Mayfield (2018) 27

Interceptions

1. Brian Sipe (1979) 26

2. Brian Sipe (1981) 25

3. Otto Graham (1952) 24

4. (tie) Brian Sipe (1983) 23; Paul McDonald (1984) 23; Bill Nelsen (1971) 23.

8. (tie) Baker Mayfield (2019) 21; Tim Couch (2011) 21

Completion Percentage (among top 10 in attempts)

1. Bernie Kosar (1991) 62.1

2. Brian Sipe (1980) 60.8

3. Baker Mayfield (2019) 59.4

4. Bernie Kosar (1989) 59.1

5. Brian Sipe (1983) 58.7

* If extended to top 15 in single-season attempts, Mayfield has the two best completion percentages: 63.8 in 2018 and 62.8 in 2020.

Passer Rating (among top 10 in attempts)

1. Brian Sipe (1980) 91.4

2. Bernie Kosar (1991) 87.8)

3. Bernie Kosar (1986) 83.8

4. Derek Anderson (2007) 82.5

5. Bernie Kosar (1989) 80.3

* 6. Baker Mayfield (2019) 78.8

Consecutive Pass Completions

1. Baker Mayfield (2020) 21

2. (tie) Bernie Kosar (1989) 16; Kelly Holcomb (2003) 16

4. (tie) Baker Mayfield (2018) 15; Vinny Testaverde (1993) 15

Consecutive Attempts Without Interception

1. Bernie Kosar 308

2. Milt Plum 208

3. Brian Hoyer 189

4. Baker Mayfield 187

5. Bernie Kosar 176

GAME

Passing Yards

1. Josh McCown (2015, Baltimore Ravens) 457

2. Brian Sipe (1981, Baltimore Colts) 444

3. Bernie Kosar (1986, Pittsburgh) 414

4. Kelly Holcomb (2004, Cincinnati) 413

5. (tie) Otto Graham (1952, Pittsburgh 401; Bernie Kosar (1986, Houston Oilers) 401

* 7. Baker Mayfield (2018, Houston Texans) 397

Passing Touchdowns

* Six players have thrown five touchdown passes in a game, most recently Mayfield (2020, Cincinnati).

Completion Percentage (minimum 15 attempts)

1. Vinny Testaverde (1993, Los Angeles Rams) 91.3 (21-23)

2. Baker Mayfield (2021, Houston) 90.4 (19-21)

3. Baker Mayfield (2018, Atlanta) 85.0 (17-20)

4. Baker Mayfield (2020, New York Giants) 84.4 (27-32)

5. Kelly Holcomb (2003, Arizona) 82.8 (29-35)

Passer Rating (minimum 15 attempts)

1. (tie) Otto Graham (1954, Chicago Cardinals) 158.3; Brian Sipe (1978, Buffalo) 158.3

3. Milt Plum (1960, St. Louis Cardinals) 154.8

4. Milt Plum (1959, Washington) 153.9

5. Baker Mayfield (2018, Atlanta) 151.2

* 7. Baker Mayfield (2020, Tennessee) 146.9

 

 

[calfoxwc]

On 7/9/2022 at 4:19 PM, Orion said:

Obviously, there were more than just OBJ trying to get away from Baker.  But, again, in hindsight, we knew when he wasn't offered a new contract.

it was obj who was trying to get away from the Giants, too. go figure.

obj and his superego brand - hurt the browns a lot with dropped passes.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-odell-beckham-jr-has-been-part-of-the-problem-in-cleveland-browns

"

A top-10 QB heading into the season, Mayfield currently sits at 20th in PFF passing grade, behind the likes of Jared Goff and Ryan Fitzpatrick. His accuracy has fallen off, his big-time throw rate has dropped from 7.7% a season ago to just 3.9% this year and he is at the helm of a Browns offense that just can’t seem to get out of its own way.

Mayfield is undoubtedly struggling this season, significantly more than he did a season ago, but he may be receiving a disproportionate amount of the blame. Though his interceptions have spiked this season (he already has three more than his rookie year with two games to play), his turnover-worthy play rate has barely moved (3.1% to 3.3%). That disparity effectively comes down to bad luck and plays outside of Mayfield’s control. Passes that should not be picked off are being hauled in by the defense at a much higher rate than a season ago.

PFF's Mike Renner detailed precisely what has gone wrong for Mayfield this year in this article, but the point of touching on it in this piece is to articulate that, for all his struggles, Mayfield’s numbers are being made look worse by the receiving corps, of which Beckham is the star member.

The most obvious way that Beckham has been a part of letting Mayfield down is in dropped passes. The way we chart drops, by definition, is that every one of these is a pass that should be caught. That doesn’t mean the ball location is perfect, but it means OBJ should have been able to bring it in and improve both the overall production of the offense and his quarterback’s numbers. Every receiver drops the ball sometimes, but not every receiver can say that he made arguably the greatest catch in NFL history the way Beckham can. This is a person whose one-handed warmups and practice catches have become a thing of legend. OBJ finds catching a football as easy as you or I find breathing in and out, so he should have one of the lowest drop rates we have ever seen.

Larry Fitzgerald has six drops over the last three seasons. OBJ has seven and counting this year alone. It’s already the second-highest total of his career and it gives him a drop rate of 9.5% of catchable targets, which is among the worst 10 wideouts in the NFL."

[calfoxwc]

14 hours ago, Flugel said:

Because they don't have any names or quotes.  Tony Grossi wanted to be the 1st media squid to announce Baker was going to fail as soon as he was drafted.  Then Baker set the Rookie record with 27 TD passes despite only starting 13 games for a team coming off 0-16 football.  And guess how many wins Cleveland had when Baker appeared in his 1st game with a 14 point deficit a few minutes before half?  They were 0-1-1 coming off that 0-16 football coming off that 1-15 football.  Why people want to ACT like Baker doesn't have it within 1 calendar year of being the starter of an 11-5 playoff team that won a playoff game scoring 48 points ON and AT Pittsburgh.  Throwing 26 TD passes to only 8 INTS after what this franchise went through the 2 years before Baker came here has me wondering why everyone thinks if we just replace Baker we're all set. 

Exactly. Also, see my thread titled: "Just for the record - Baker was not "just an average qb" "

[calfoxwc]

16 hours ago, lodilobo said:

Why don't these morons who are reporting how Mayfield's teammates disliked him, provide some names ore quotes?...because it's B.S., that's why... OBJ??....who gives a crap about that whiney ass prima dona? He never wanted to come here, and tried every angle to get out. He sure as Hell was no top notch receiver here. I could make a video of easy throws that he just dropped that would be longer than the one he produced. Why would Mayfield continue to throw him the ball, when he drops everything he touches? 

yep. obj has a dropped passes rating  - one of the worst ten wr's in nfl history.

[tiamat63]

6 hours ago, ballpeen said:

I have thought about the injury deal.  

 

My feeling is Baker had some really good games while "injured", so why did the injurt not bother him in those games?

 

Just saying

San Diego and Cincy couldn't attack and limit the running game. So Baker took a very clear back seat to Chubb, Hunt and DJ.   All he had to do were make throws from ball action in windows that were vacated by LB's and DB's coming downhill.

 

No small coincidence that Mayfield's best games of the season game against 2 of the 3 worst defenses in the NFL at their respective times. 

Not so much a knock on Baker, as it would be to point out that when things weren't easy, that's when he was limited by both his eyes and his arm (injury)

[FY56]

15 hours ago, DieHardBrownsFan1 said:

Haha "Glory to God" on his bicep...betcha he says that every time a masseuse makes him shoot his wad.

[nickers]

And we gave him away for literally nothing... Typical dumb Browns moves..

[Canton Dawg]

1 minute ago, nickers said:

And we gave him away for literally nothing... Typical dumb Browns moves..

 

[FairHooker11]

 if Mayfield wins the starting job - Cleveland pays 2/3 of his game (opener) check 🤑

[mjp28]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

★ One big error in that report  it totally misses his not so good 2021 season.   The season with Mayfield's   zero   game winning drives  and   his injuries. 

This throws all of those future projections way off.

Redo the report   with   his 2021 numbers and  then do the accurate comparison.   Hint :   it will show his numbers are going down not even or up.

interesting numbers   -but-  throw out the other #1 picks also to be more relevant. 

Mayfield is a good not a franchise quarterback in most opinions. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[mjp28]

Quick at look 2021 - low in yards, low in TDs, low comp %...... Not good trend numbers. Especially high in injuries and of course age.

Just the numbers. 

Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV	Awards
Career					60	59	29-30-0	1185	1924	61.6	14125	92	4.8	56	2.9	681	89	7.3	7.0	11.9	235.4	87.8		134	889	6.5	6.43	6.10	6	7	45
2018	23	CLE	QB	6	14	13	6-7-0	310	486	63.8	3725	27	5.6	14	2.9	171	71	7.7	7.5	12.0	266.1	93.7	51.2	25	173	4.9	6.95	6.77	3	4	10	AP ORoY-2
2019	24	CLE	QB	6	16	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	4.1	21	3.9	179	89	7.2	6.2	12.1	239.2	78.8	54.4	40	285	7	6.17	5.29	1	1	11
2020	25	CLE	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	305	486	62.8	3563	26	5.3	8	1.6	188	75	7.3	7.7	11.7	222.7	95.9	65.5	26	162	5.1	6.64	6.96	2	2	14
2021	26	CLE	QB	6	14	14	6-8-0	253	418	60.5	3010	17	4.1	13	3.1	143	71	7.2	6.6	11.9	215.0	83.1	35.1	43	269	9.3	5.95	5.41

Edited July 11, 2022 by mjp28

[Dutch Oven]

Baker Mayfield is a second tier starting quarterback. 

Which puts him squarely at "average" for starting quarterbacks. Comparing his stats to quarterbacks from eras where throwing the ball 30 times in one game was newsworthy is silly. 

Might as well compare today's hitters in MLB to hitters from 1911, when one or two pitchers might have topped 90mph with their fastballs. 

[D Bone]

Uh oh, mjp telling the complete story with omitted facts.  

Dammit I hate when that happens. 

[syd]

baker is gone get over it

LONG LIVE WATSON

[mjp28]

1 hour ago, D Bone said:

Uh oh, mjp telling the complete story with omitted facts.  

Dammit I hate when that happens. 

Going into year 5 with the first 3 years of data and trying to draw conclusions.   Oh well it's like grading on the curve......well sort of.

~AND~  it looks like the Baker Mayfield era is over in Cleveland,  it just doesn't feel like it yet.  Probably won't until September 11th against Carolina and probably Baker Mayfield.....how spooky is that.   Maybe a tie game ?    

[PoeticG]

Baker would have broken multiple records for an age old snakebitten franchise, it would have been more than enough to warrant his draft status in the annuls of the history books. He may have well have won us a Superbowl Championship. Sometimes it's not all about winning but in HOW you win. I would have gladly watched another 11-6 season under Baker, just for the joy of it. It was enough for me knowing that we had a chance. You can't win them all and if you think you can, you are wrong.

[hoorta]

10 hours ago, mjp28 said:

Quick at look 2021 - low in yards, low in TDs, low comp %...... Not good trend numbers. Especially high in injuries and of course age.

Just the numbers. 

Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	AV	Awards
Career					60	59	29-30-0	1185	1924	61.6	14125	92	4.8	56	2.9	681	89	7.3	7.0	11.9	235.4	87.8		134	889	6.5	6.43	6.10	6	7	45
2018	23	CLE	QB	6	14	13	6-7-0	310	486	63.8	3725	27	5.6	14	2.9	171	71	7.7	7.5	12.0	266.1	93.7	51.2	25	173	4.9	6.95	6.77	3	4	10	AP ORoY-2
2019	24	CLE	QB	6	16	16	6-10-0	317	534	59.4	3827	22	4.1	21	3.9	179	89	7.2	6.2	12.1	239.2	78.8	54.4	40	285	7	6.17	5.29	1	1	11
2020	25	CLE	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	305	486	62.8	3563	26	5.3	8	1.6	188	75	7.3	7.7	11.7	222.7	95.9	65.5	26	162	5.1	6.64	6.96	2	2	14
2021	26	CLE	QB	6	14	14	6-8-0	253	418	60.5	3010	17	4.1	13	3.1	143	71	7.2	6.6	11.9	215.0	83.1	35.1	43	269	9.3	5.95	5.41

Yup, the OP did some serious cherry picking of stats to (lamely) try and prove a point.  Let's start with Baker's 2020 best season... 95.9 qbr... In 2021, TEN starting NFL QBs posted ratings better than that...   I'll even use his 2019 career best in yards (3827)...  2021 eleven QBs were better, and two more- Garoppolo and Mac Jones were within 20 yards of that number. 

4 hours ago, Dutch Oven said:

Baker Mayfield is a second tier starting quarterback. 

Which puts him squarely at "average" for starting quarterbacks. Comparing his stats to quarterbacks from eras where throwing the ball 30 times in one game was newsworthy is silly. 

Might as well compare today's hitters in MLB to hitters from 1911, when one or two pitchers might have topped 90mph with their fastballs. 

See above... If you're not in the top 10, that makes you second tier.  Agreed, picking numbers from the era of leather helmet football is pretty meaningless.  Most would say the "modern" era of football started with the Super Bowl. Or, as Steeler fans like to say 1970.   Salaries and overall conditioning now are nothing like they were 50-60 years ago. A lot of the hangers on back then had to take summer off season jobs to make ends meet. (For those young 'uns who don't know- the retired #46 belonged to Don Fleming, who got himself electrocuted working on a summer job for CEI.)  I well remember that Jim Brown was the first NFL player to top $100,000 in salary. That's not even $1 million in 2022 dollars.  

[hoorta]

1 hour ago, PoeticG said:

Baker would have broken multiple records for an age old snakebitten franchise, it would have been more than enough to warrant his draft status in the annuls of the history books. He may have well have won us a Superbowl Championship. Sometimes it's not all about winning but in HOW you win. I would have gladly watched another 11-6 season under Baker, just for the joy of it. It was enough for me knowing that we had a chance. You can't win them all and if you think you can, you are wrong.

The final chapters of the Book of Baker are yet to be written Po & I don't claim to have a crystal ball... This year will certainly give us the direction his career is heading... Just don't be crying over the departed USS Baker, because it's sailed... And I suggest you not beat yourself up over it.  Can he turn it around and have a Drew Brees career, or become a long term backup like Josh McCown or Colt McCoy? Stay tuned.  

BTW.. I certainly wished (at the time) that Phil Dawson would have stuck around for another year or two to pass Lou Groza's Browns points record. But he didn't.

Face it- Mayfield got shipped out of town for a conditional (at best) 4th round draft choice. Damaged goods. AND we had to pay Carolina $10 million to make him go away.  If the rest of the NFL viewed Baker as a "for real" franchise QB, he would have commanded what the Seahawks got for Russell Wilson. UM...  

"What was the trade for Russell Wilson? The 33-year-old Wilson was traded from the Seahawks to the Broncos in exchange for a huge haul, including two first-round draft picks, two second-rounders, a fifth-rounder, quarterback Drew Lock, defensive tackle Shelby Harris and tight end Noah Fant."

[mjp28]

Maybe the absolute final Baker Mayfield numbers  might be written in the 2022 NFL Week 1 - September 11, 2022 1 pm on CBS  the visiting Cleveland BROWNS at the home team Carolina Panthers. 

Expected starting quarterbacks  TBD vs Baker Mayfield  in the sure to be the most hyped game in the NFL  Week 1.   

Getting excited yet ?  Maybe give it a month or so.       

.......edit add,  I personally think BRM might even be pumped up in the upcoming preseason,  eh ?   Might be worth watching what happens next. 

...... edit two, I wonder if the camps and preseason will show how much BRM has in the ol' tank and heart.  Is he going to be up to his 2018 rookie performance thrown into action and going 6-7.  Or maybe his 2020 and 11-5 playoff record year.  Or the greatly disappointing 2019 or 2021 years.   Which BRM shows up in 2022 its anyone's guess right now. 

Doesn't sound like a franchise quarterback on a good team does it ?   

Edited July 12, 2022 by mjp28

[mjp28]

OK it's 2:36 Tuesday am and my left hip is thumping.....Rx time......ahhhhh.      Just kidding Browns fans, I'm trying to read to fall asleep.  It's not working.....yet.

And just one more shot at the  "beating a dead horse"  thing.  The last three categories on is BRM an (ok-good-franchise) quarterback.  (pick only one)

I never thought that I'd see these three three BROWNS quarterbacks in one line-up.....Otto, Milt, Baker.......from when I was 4, 10, 70 all together.  Amazing. 

Brings back memories of Otto after he retired,  Milt when I was playing backyard and 5th/6th grade tackle football in full uniforms and Baker ahhh what the hell was I doing when I was 70?  Oh yeah new meds, lol.      

Seriously though like I've always said what's better than having fun with numbers.   Especially when they add up right, eventually.  

Oh my answer is BRM is a good quarterback and I can prove it god dammit......and  "stay off my yard dammit ......and I know your parents! ! 

Hmmmm, 3:11 am, still awake.  Maybe I'll try Facebook,  yeah that might w-o-.....   😞

Edited July 12, 2022 by mjp28

[ballpeen]

22 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

well, football is a game of matchups. Let's say, sometimes the weak wr group could get open vs one team's secondary, sometimes they couldn't get open much at all. Maybe....some teams don't have great pass rushers and a terrific secondary, with fast lb's who can also cover short range....

    maybe....sometimes Stephanski's stupid playcalling screwed up the browns' chances, sometimes didn't.

I don't know.

 

I guess when a play doesn't work it might be called a stupid play. Then again, maybe it just didn't work.  We are playing against other players who are trying to stop us from moving the ball.  

 

No matter how bad we might think they are, they are going to win some of those battles.

[ballpeen]

19 hours ago, nickers said:

And we gave him away for literally nothing... Typical dumb Browns moves..

Who offered more that we got? Were their any other teams interested?  My feeling is if Baker was all that good, we would have had multiple teams seeking his services no matter the thought that we didn't have leverage.  If Baker was good enough, we would have had leverage because multiple interested teams would have created said leverage.

 

A note on Cals numbers posted.  The game is different than when Otto played.  Posting up numbers that show Baker just behind Otto doesn't make Baker set to be better than Otto Graham.

 

And just to be clear.  I like Baker and wanted to draft him. I would have been good with keeping him, but he wasn't a great QB.  He was a middle of the pack QB.  We could win with him, but probably not because of him.

[Dutch Oven]

14 minutes ago, ballpeen said:

Who offered more that we got? Were their any other teams interested?  My feeling is if Baker was all that good, we would have had multiple teams seeking his services no matter the thought that we didn't have leverage.  If Baker was good enough, we would have had leverage because multiple interested teams would have created said leverage.

I found it telling that the none of the other teams involved in the Watson sweepstakes seemed to have any interest in Baker. If he is as good as Watson, or barely behind him, you would have thought that the losers in the Watson sweepstakes would have jumped at the relative pittance wanted by the Browns for Baker. Say, a third rounder and picking up $18 mill for a starting QB? 

Crickets. 

[Canton Dawg]

Funny how everyone is yapping about what the Browns had to fork out to get rid of Mayfield.

Yet nobody is talking about the shit for brains that extended his contract THEN went shopping for his replacement.

If AB worked for any competent company, his ass would’ve been fired for pissing away millions of dollars.

But the Browns doesn’t qualify as a competent organization.

[SdBacker80]

2 hours ago, Canton Dawg said:

Funny how everyone is yapping about what the Browns had to fork out to get rid of Mayfield.

Yet nobody is talking about the shit for brains that extended his contract THEN went shopping for his replacement.

If AB worked for any competent company, his ass would’ve been fired for pissing away millions of dollars.

But the Browns doesn’t qualify as a competent organization.

Thus far he’s been paid like an average .500 QB.   

and Everyone needs to relax…we had Jay Cutler.  Not Drew Brees but not Colt McCoy either.

turn the page…

[SdBacker80]

Are we blaming Baker for anything that happened in 2019 when he left clean pockets more than any other QB in The NFL?

[Bob806]

I don't care about his numbers. 

Baker, Jarvis Landry, Garrett, & Chubb all helped the Browns out of the abyss- for that, I will always be grateful. 

Like others said, let's move on. The Browns could have a vey good season this year, & I look forward to that.

[Canton Dawg]

45 minutes ago, SdBacker80 said:

Thus far he’s been paid like an average .500 QB.   

and Everyone needs to relax…we had Jay Cutler.  Not Drew Brees but not Colt McCoy either.

turn the page…

DW has a .519 career win/loss record.

So don’t you find it strange he’s making $230 million?